2021 04 30 - lydgate/mindmeld GitHub Wiki

2021-04-29 Networked Salon Chat

Philosophy Books

  • Kishimi: The Courage to be Disliked
  • Hollingdale translation of Schopenhauer's Essays and Aphorisms

Salon books

To look at later

Great moments/quotes or interesting examples

  • "time to meta (TTM)"
  • José Gonçalves to Everyone:Thank god for letters. Try going back on WhatsApp messages now when people die
  • nice analogy: Reminds me of a good workout partner. Feeding off each others energy. (Ben's point)
  • Jessica: Makes me think of professors, speakers, and performers I know who all have given up on doing their work over video because the audience isn’t “there” in the way they need to be able to perform
  • Yina: when two waves combine it can increase the amplitude, like the idea of constructive interference in physics
  • novel Limitless which I thought of when talking about competition:“It’d been that thing again, that wanting-to-impress-me, wanting-to-be-my-best-friend thing that I’d had with Paul Baxter and Artie Meltzer. I tried to analyse what this was, and could only conclude that maybe a combination of my being enthusiastic and non-judgemental – noncompetitive – might have struck some kind of a chord in people, especially in people who were stressed out and on their guard all the time.”
  • Ben: Reminds me of formula 1 racing. The whole team collaborating to win the race. Not just a driver.
  • Amir: collabs not only involved shared vocab, but also more specifically: shared analogies, shared in-jokes, reprises that carry a lot of meaning
  • Amir: Having a Council of Collaborators inside my head that I ask; that of often happens
  • Heather: Advances in technology allow for increasingly better tools and systems, continually upgrading standards of living and collective intelligence - though maybe this is obvious; positive feedback loop
  • Samuel Bars: Some people say we should call them instruments for thought. Instruments are not designed to be easy, their constraints lead you to make beautiful things when mastered

Why collaborations fail

  • there's no agreement about what the project is really about (Andrew B)
  • no shared language; different cultural interpretations; failure of "meaning-making" and sense-making systems to align (Heather)

Follow up questions

  • Q: how can transcendent interest arise online only? Different to offline?

From DM conversations

with Virginia G

  • Q: I'm really interested in the ways people have historically used art to work through novel ideas and information overload––and I was thinking about this while reading the article on memory systems! So I'd love to do something more generally about the tools we use to manage information overload today, how we sort fact from fiction, and the role of images in all of it

with Victor G

  • Q: The second suggestion in the Hacker News link made me jump cause i was thinking about it a lot during the salon -- tiddlywiki. i used it to manage my cross canada trip in my veggie oil burning car (butter!)
    • He's specifically referring to this comment on the Hacker News site that resonated with the systems we talked about during the last part of the salon: I set up development environments for myself a lot, so I wrote an article about how I do it https://modfoss.com/creating-my-development-environment.html and then put the code on GitHub as well https://github.com/symkat/modfoss_devel So if I don't do it for a while, I'll have a starting point and me-from-the-past explaining what I did and why.

with Rick

  • we talked about moving conversations from the ii to action
  • talked about using some processes in the salon as experiments in the "first ii retreat" (he has expliict agenda ideas over at least 1 week - 4 weeks)
  • Then below is his conference idea:

PUNK SCIENCE

  • No finished research is presented.
  • Not split by discipline. The difference is: a traditional conference called BRAIN, run by the Society for Pediatric Cognitive [narrower] [narrower] Neuroscience. Versus BRAIN, run by you, which invites anyone who has an interesting contribution to the QUESTION / line of inquiry.
  • Each annual conference instance poses in advance a set of questions/line of inquiry. Maybe, like 3-5.
  • Attendees apply to attend. Not with work they've done; with a pitch to how they'd want to work on the questions in future.
  • OK, day 1 of the conference. Attendees are split into cohorts, given tasks and tools. Their goal is to present new study designs/ventures at the end of the week.
  • and like those journals that only ask for Hypothesis and Methods... Here's how we'll look for the answer. (Not here's what we think the answer will be, and it's sexy so it'll look good for the department and get citations, blah blah)

In affiliation with PUNK FOUNDATION:

  • like an incubator program. day 5 of the conference is a pitch competition.
  • haven't figured this bit out yet... but hunch is there's needs to be a split of "for the sake of science" money (non-commercial) AND commercial money. Incentives are hard.
  • big prizes, but also minor ones. E.g. Team A gets $10k to develop their collaboration further, which may help them line up other funding.

The emphasis and the benefit: future focused, inspiring, multi-discplinary (for real, not just as a marketing term), not siloed to academia And most important: it'll be the place where Kahnemans meet their Tverskys.

Todo :: Intersubjectivity :: Co creation of the self

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