2025‐05‐16 Minutes - openid/death-and-the-digital-estate GitHub Wiki

  • Attendees

    • Dean Saxe (Beyond Identity)
    • George Fletcher (Practical Identity LLC)
    • Tim L
    • Przemek Praszczalek
    • Mike Kiser (SailPoint)

  • Note taker: Mike Kiser

  • Welcome and antitrust policy reminder

  • Upcoming meetings

    • 2025-05-28 3:00 PM PDT
    • 2025-06-13 7:00 AM PDT

  • Agenda bashing?

    • George - breadth and reach of digital footprint, how do we help people figure out what it is?
      • Received an email from the local road tolling company
      • How does someone trying to clean up a person's affairs determine the breadth of the digital estate?
      • Access to email/SMS is a good way to discover this
      • but access is dependent upon the relationship
      • what if the relationship is rocky? What if the relationship has elements of dishonesty?
      • George thinks impersonation remains one of the best tools we have to discover breadth/depth of the digital estate
      • Impersonation is easier, presumably - outside of impersonation, how do you discover the range...and what they have at the time
    • Dean - file and issue so that we can track that idea / concept
      • Early september needs to be a near final draft for review by the board
    • Victor - what about something like open source? How do we protect and mantain that oversight?
    • Dean - seems like that should be in scope as well, please file an issue
    • Dean - Let's talk about the latest news:
      • see link beflow for the yahoo article about the victim testifying in AI form
      • Not the guy himself, but a recreation presented by the family
      • "Not effect in law" (Tim in chat)
      • Where's personal consent in this discussion?
      • the family is using the AI voice as a sock puppet
    • Jean -
      • Associated with the AD of the State of Michigan
      • No precedent - so nothing to restrict it
      • Admissibility to the trial record is questionable
      • Arizona law would come into play?
    • Dean -
      • Odd to know that you're living in the future . . .
    • Mike -
      • What are the legal rights of the deceased?
    • Tim -
    • Jean -
      • HAve to work with known powers here, rather than against them , in order to make progress
      • There are IP / copyright laws here in play
      • Deep fake / image has not been allowed to be used (as opposoed to an add on to existing work)
    • George -
      • Family can claim that the deceased "would say" rather than recreation
    • Dean -
    • Przemek -
      • Recovery is difficult - using a password-secured Word document... even with 1Password & Trustworthy (for example)
      • "How to do recovery" guide for the family
      • Issues that mobile-only users or households face?
      • Some providers only support now Deviced-based Auth-N (which is problematic when you get logged out of both devices due to time limits, app refresh, or system updates, and the User has to contact the Call Center [vulnerability])
    • Dean -
      • New phones / tech every year means that key / access recovery is important and essential

  • Review recent articles / links posted in Slack

  • Identiverse

    • DADE panel has added Elizabeth Wharton, Founder, Silver Key Strategies
    • Please send Dean / Mike any questions that can be covered in panel

  • Eve M met with PAYPERS at EIC, we'll share further information when it has been published

  • Planning Guide for Cyber Security Awareness Month

  • AOB