2025‐04‐30 Minutes - openid/death-and-the-digital-estate GitHub Wiki

2025-04-30 Agenda

  • Attendees

    • Dean Saxe (Beyond Identity)
    • Eve Maler (@xmlgrrl)
    • Miki Brotzler (NAB/IDPro)
    • Mike Kiser (SailPoint)
    • Jo Spencer (Sezoo)
    • Victor Lu
    • Alex B Chalmers (Self)
    • Gary Gwin (Yahoo)

  • Welcome and antitrust policy reminder

  • Note taker: Miki

  • Agenda bashing: no additional items

  • Review recent articles / links posted in Slack

    • [Never Say Die] (https://cacm.acm.org/news/never-say-die/) - speaks to generating avatars both while alive and after death
      • consideration of consent for deceased person - has this been considered in creating these services?
      • what (if any) rights / privacy rights apply when you die? Litigation - by the living? Definition of what it means to be "living"
      • complication of those taking advantage of the deceased to continue receiving pensions etc
      • concept of Personal Credentials
    • Delegating Your Personas: Also Known As
      • Maiden / married names & complications
    • Immigrants prove they are alive, forcing Social Security to undo death label
    • (Mike K)Therapy Bots - apparently better than humans.
      • question of human identity - do you need to be a human? Hybrid / implants etc?
      • Is there a "birth" and "death" for these non-humans?

  • Identiverse

    • DADE panel has added Richard Zack, CEO of Eternal.me
      • service to help plan for after your demise
      • can act as your fiduciary to manage data - does this mean they have all your credentials?
    • Mike and Richard are working to find one more panelist
      • possible: Liz - lawyer
    • ACTION: send Dean / Mike any questions that can be covered in panel

  • Eve M will have interview with PAPERS at EIC related to our topic

  • White Paper & Planning Guide for Cyber Security Awareness Month

    • Proposal approved by the board. Awaiting signatures on SoW for Heather Flanagan as co-author on whitepaper.
      • will be open to others for input
      • draft around end of July, for release around October
      • outline doc: (to be provided)
    • Planning guide: Seeking crowdsourced information, best practices from DADE CG members
      • List of Digital Assets that need management - social media, crypto etc
      • Mechanisms for managing assets
        • Shared credentials
        • Legacy contacts
        • Fiduciary
      • Working with an estate planner
      • etc.
      • This community will be creating this (not Heather F)
      • What are some localised assets / rules that can be included?
      • Digital assets (to be collected over sessions):
        • Video / audio
        • Mail inboxes
          • fraudsters get access to imap and get into inboxes to then access accounts and other assets
          • what would differentiate a legitimate fiduciary and a fraudster?
          • (Gary G) Yahoo would look into step-ups if account hasn't been accessed in a while
          • (Dean S) in spite of our good intentions here, we need to be aware that we are not aiding fraudsters
          • if there is foresight to provide alternatives to those who will be managing an estate, can assist with verifying death / legal access
          • (Miki B) will look at what funeral directors / services are currently suggesting
          • Dean will set up a strawman & somewhere to collaborate on

  • AOB

    • Dropped in chat by Jo Spencer, "We wrote a piece on "better ends" in an Australian context when we were working for the government agency on birth certificates. Enjoy... https://www.sezoo.digital/resources/towards-better-ends/"
      • good to use as reference for our planning guide
      • Dean's diagram (using Cursor) of fiduciary consent is a starting point to go into the planning guide