Meeting Notes 2026‐09‐24 - openid/authzen GitHub Wiki

Attendees

  • Alex Olivier
  • Omri
  • Alex Babeanu
  • David B

Agenda

OAuth profiles (Omri)

Gate Tuple

  • Spec was ambiguous when there was more grant type. The translation seperates the token issuance from the scopes being asked for. Gate tuples and scope tuples.
  • In case of authorization_code asking for an access token, but many requests come back with a refresh token also.
  • Spec now has a seperate tuple for each gate. access token to pass, but refresh token can fail now
  • Now possible to have a policy decision for varying refresh token length based on the request
  • Karl: Grants are independant of the token type. You can downscope a token to grants issued to the client. Grant is a first class object, rather than the token.
  • Omri: These are related. When a user consents, a grant is recorded, and a token is issued.
  • Karl: Why is the resolution not grants coming back?
  • Omri: It is - there is a gate tuple for each token and scope - each with a decision.
  • AlexB: The AS records the grant - assume they work as token minting when grant exists. Issuing the grant leads to issuing the token.
  • Karl: You can down scope tokens. The user can do something different to the downscoped token. Trying to find the boundary between minting token and grant issuing.
  • Omri: This spec reads on the token endpoint not the authorize endpoint.
  • AlexB: Isn't that too late - if the grant happened before
  • Karl: You want to serialize the errors on the front channel
  • Omri: Dave Hyland brought up the same question. Happy to expand the scope to cover authorize endpoint.
  • Karl: Key is its a PDP for an AS - each endpoint is to be covered. Omri asked to have issue filed.

What the client is told on the deny

  • More detail on unhappy path.
  • If the gate tuple fails for one of them (multple audience) - then fail the whole request
  • With token exchange there are two tuples.
  • Handle a PDP avalibailty issue with a retry error

Step-up

  • If we expand the scope - this needs rethinking.
  • AlexB: This argues moving it to the authorize endpoint
  • Right now, this adds a security consideration for the policy

ID token gate has no resource

  • The audience should be the issuance target, but client_id for the id token
  • Karl: Why not muddle the resource indicator.
  • An ID token has a user info scope. The spec is silent if an adidtional scope is added to the gate.

Namespcae conflict

  • There is a convention now
  • For a gate tuple there is a convention of issue:<action_type>:<grant_type>. Scope was verbaitam.
  • No way to distinguish the two outside of the prefix.
  • Fix: have the resource.type to discriminate
  • AlexO: Should we prefix them? Easy to pick out of logs
  • AlexB: Having standardized types - every PDP has differnet model. Why should we enforce IANA defined types?
  • Omri: Normalization is what drives interopabiltiy.

COAZ-MCP: continuing from last week

Certification

AOB

  • Reminder: Errata release of Authorization 1.0. Add your nitpicks as issues on GH
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