Apr 08, 2025 ‐ 15:00 UTC - elisa-tech/wg-systems GitHub Wiki

Host:

• Philipp Ahmann

Participants:

• Masanori Itoh
• Naoto Yamaguchi
• Sebastian Hetze
• Gabriele Paoloni
• Daniel Weingaertner
• Troy Sabin
• Rinat Shagisultanov

Regrets:

• Nicole Pappler

Attended Recently

• Patrick Uven
• Leonardo Rossetti
• Kate Stewart
• Walt Miner
• Karen Bennet
• Slim Dhouibi
• Roberto Paccapeli
• Steven Carbno
• Alfred Strauch
• Olivier Charrier

Topics & Notes:

Check past action items

• Previous meeting notes: https://github.com/elisa-tech/wg-systems/wiki/Feb-24,-2025-%E2%80%90-16:00-UTC
• AI-Sebastian: Involvement of DIN can also be interesting. Sebastian will take a first contact.
  • Communication started. Another meeting scheduled in Feb.
• AI-Philipp: Get the corrected picture and the content of the press release into the systems WG repo.

Example system composition

• Panasonic and Honda presented ideas in AGL SDV EG.
• Based on slides from last AGL AMM
  • https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/aglammspring2025/0d/Pioneering%20Software-Defined%20Vehicles_AGL-SDV-EG-Updates_Panasonic_Automotive_Systems_Jerry_Zhao.pdf
• Architectural sketch from Kusakabe-san
  • https://lf-automotivelinux.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/VE/pages/356941827/AGL+SDV+Reference+PF
• Starting with Xen + Zephyr + Android + Linux IVI + Linux IC
  • Will be presented at the ELISA workshop by Kusakabe-san.
• Zephyr is selected as it has the safety certification path and can be good as showcase
• Xen is there as community edition, but also other Type 1 hypervisor are considered like the ACRN https://projectacrn.org/
• Currently meta-elisa tests are failing and it need to be ported to latest AGL release. This is in discussion with AGL (Jan-Simon)
  • This is a plain AGL IC qemu, which would need to be brought forward.
  • meta-elisa also need to be ported from QT to flutter. (or have QT6 as alternative, maintained within AGL by Yamaguchi-san)
• ELISA part could be to have analysis on Linux kernel parts and to have the monitoring from Zephyr towards Linux Instrument Cluster (IC)
• This currently has good traction in AGL, with ~20 participants in the meeting including XEN x86 and arm experts from Stefano's team.
• Current HW consideration is Renesas SoC (Gen3/Gen4) for PoC. Demo on R-Car Gen3 is planned to be shown during AGL AMM in July (8th) in Berlin .
• Before the setup will be discussed during ELISA workshop in Lund.

Good Quality Practices in Open Source [cont.]

• Press release is out: https://linuxfoundation.eu/newsroom/new-initiative-seeks-to-establish-open-source-software-best-practices-standard
• Promoted in ELISA newsletter: https://email.linuxfoundation.org/your-first-enabling-linux-in-safety-application-elisa-project-2025-update-is-here
• Next topics:
  • Check interim results by e/o April to prepare an intermediate report.
  • Close survey by e/o May and prepare results for OSS NA
  • OSS NA presentation e/o June
    • eventually collect more interested during OSS NA
• So far 20+ responses received.
• Further promotion on social takes place.
• Practical questions:
  • something for ELISA organization as new repo
    • lighthouse-oss
    • AI-Philipp: Create repo.
    • Optional sub-domain: lighthouse.elisa.tech
  • migrate existing content to new repo
    • Press release as an intro page.
    • former drawings in systems repo
    • gdoc mission statement
  • try to prepare a bit of literature research as a prep for OSS EU?
    • What is the status quo as entry point for the standard
    • Talk more about phase 1
    • Daniel is interested in support on it.

Cont. Compliance with GitHub

• Meeting between Troy & Nicole was scheduled last week.
• Zephyr artifacts to get into SBOM.
• Meeting with Tobias pending.
• BASIL discusses with Zephyr to import StrictDocs into BASIL.
• Cont. Compliance may be glue layer to bring the pieces together.
• Diffing SBOM engine is other practical element currently under development.
  • standard SPDX tooling may fall short on a full CI/CD integration. Under investigation.
  • bring this into database to do diffing in db, rather than file based.
• Consider an architectural review meeting either in Systems WG meeting or dedicated.
  • First look at the architecture on April 22nd

AoB

• No meeting April 14th due to vacation.
• Collaboration between ELISA and Trustable processes?
  • Already exchanged with the Trustable people as it has synergies with the best practices Standards
  • Will be part of the May workshop agenda.