[13:52] <grant_h_> haha, yeah I mapped some extra features in that area to make it a little more interesting
[13:53] <novalis_dt> Fortunately, a bug in OTP meant that I redownloaded those tiles!
[13:53] <novalis_dt> (yes, I will be fixing that bug)
[13:55] <novalis_dt> Anyone else have anything!
[13:55] <novalis_dt> er ?
[13:55] <FrankP> Dave, is there anything I need to do to activate areas? My lastest /test graph seems to snap to roads (1000' feet away) in the few tests I've tried.
[13:56] <novalis_dt> snap what to roads?
[13:56] <novalis_dt> oh, if your starting point is inside an area?
[13:56] <novalis_dt> The version of OTP that's on git only does area=yes ways
[13:57] <FrankP> Ah, right ... areas have to be defined in OSM...sorry, not sure if Forest park / Zoo are defined as such.
[13:57] <novalis_dt> Not relations with type=multipolygon area=yes
[13:57] <novalis_dt> Try Pioneer Square
[13:57] <mele_> that's a little iffy though because I already drew footways all through it
[13:57] <novalis_dt> oh.
[13:58] <mele_> ... so it's not really a pure area
[13:58] <mele_> i drew a lot of footways in ped areas over the last several months to make sure they'd work...
[13:59] <FrankP> yeah, that works...
[13:59] <FrankP> (or maybe it's one of Mele'
[14:00] <novalis_dt> You can actually route through the Starbucks in the northwest of Pioneer Square
[14:00] <novalis_dt> There isn't a footpath there of course
[14:09] * demory (demory@nat/openplans.org/x-essgtrxlacnenuqk) has joined #opentripplanner
[14:09] <novalis_dt> hey demory. We were about finished up, but if you want to jump in, this is the moment!
[14:09] <demory> hey folks, sorry, had a meeting run long
[14:10] <demory> i'll check in quickly
[14:11] <demory> mainly working on next stage of Deployer work, including experimenting with multiple graph OTP to allow sharing of instances between deployments
[14:11] <demory> also working on the new website still, hope to launch that for real in the next week
[14:12] <demory> that's really it for me -- otherwise just busy w/ meetings in NYC this week
[14:12] <demory> novalis_dt can you send me a transcript of the full chat?
[14:13] <novalis_dt> (notice that there are no paths from the convex points of the multipolygon except where those have connected outer edges
[14:14] <kpw> novalis_dt, how are things looking now on area routing? more work to be done or are you feeling good about the progress at this stage?
[14:14] <novalis_dt> kpw, I could commit this now and we would have an improvement over what is in trunk
[14:14] <novalis_dt> (as of about three minutes ago)
[14:14] <novalis_dt> I have a few more things to check
[14:14] <kpw> ok
[14:15] <kpw> just curious what the next steps are
[14:15] <novalis_dt> (1) Matt pointed out an area in CA that was broken; I need to check it with the new code.
[14:15] <novalis_dt> It might be fixed by Laurent's epsilon change
[14:15] <novalis_dt> (2) I should probably do an all-pairs SPT across only the points connected to outgoing edges and remove unused edges
[14:16] <novalis_dt> If you look at the link, you can see that there are many edges connected to that concave areas on the rightof the larger shape.
[14:16] <novalis_dt> Some of those are necessary, but most are not
[14:17] <FrankP> We had a TriMet employee complain rather loudly that OTP was giving weird results…he was typing time as 133 pm … I added code to hopefully handle such situations. (Also handles military time now). http://maps5.trimet.org/otp.htm
[14:18] <FrankP> (BTW, prior to yesterday, 133 pm would probably default to now and/or ???)
[14:18] <novalis_dt> Saw that checkin -- excellent. Now we just need to handle "teatime" and "beer o'clock"
[14:19] <FrankP> Beer thirty
[14:19] <novalis_dt> I have been very patiently waiting to start hacking on the geocoder because there are so many good fictional addresses to add as easter eggs.
[14:20] <andrewbyrd> and what we call military time in the US is what the rest of the world uses for all public transit schedules :)
[14:21] <FrankP> Yeah, I'm surprised at all the talk about dates recently that no one's mentioned time...
[14:21] <kpw> novalis_dt, great! do you have a sense of how much more time you'll need to wrap up those items?
[14:21] <kpw> i'd love to see this roled into our next release if possible
[14:22] <novalis_dt> kpw, I'm going to look at Matt's area right now. That's the one with unknown unknowns
[14:22] <novalis_dt> The all-pairs shortest-path reduction thing will take less than a day.
[14:23] <novalis_dt> But first I will commit all of these changes!
[14:24] <novalis_dt> Oh, andrewbyrd, what's the command to run enunciate again?
[14:30] <andrewbyrd> novalis_dt, it's bound to the site phase. should be "mvn site", but let me check
[14:31] <FrankP> (global change to the English translation ... Spanish may follow)
[14:31] <mele_> don't forget the drop-down too
[14:32] <mele_> and were we ever going to change the colors? we'll talk about it later I guess. we had some feedback from sight-impaired that the yellow is very hard to see
[14:33] <mele_> & give everything a little more contrast from background
[14:33] <andrewbyrd> novalis_dt, yes it's, mvn site, resulting docs are in OpenTripPlanner/target/site/apidocs
[14:33] <novalis_dt> thanks
[14:34] <demory> FrankP, sounds good to me (re "bike friendly")
[14:34] <FrankP> thanks...so let it be written then...
[14:35] <demory> so the others will remain "Quickest" and "Flattest"?
[14:36] <demory> Or should they be just "Quick" and "Flat" to go along w/ "Friendly"?
[14:36] <novalis_dt> Maybe we should change them to "Quick" and "Flat"
[14:36] <novalis_dt> Jinx!
[14:36] <demory> ha
[14:36] <mele_> yeah i think that's better too
[14:37] <FrankP> What does our poet laureate think...Grant?
[14:37] <demory> we are both believers in parallel construction I see
[14:37] <grant_h_> sounds good to me!
[14:37] <FrankP> (Grant came up with Bike friendly)
[14:38] <FrankP> Should I also change the drop down to Quick trip ?
[14:38] <novalis_dt> Sure.
[14:38] <FrankP> (Applies to transit)
[14:38] <novalis_dt> Also, you should change "fewest transfers" to a checkbox
[14:38] <novalis_dt> Since that's what it is internally
[14:39] <novalis_dt> (well, internally it's a penalty, so it would really be a slider, but the checkbox is saner)
[14:39] <FrankP> Hm...so a number slide on the number of transfers you're willing to endure
[14:40] <novalis_dt> Well, there's that, but that's a hard limit and we tend to prefer soft limits
[14:40] <novalis_dt> The other is the transferPenalty
[14:40] <novalis_dt> Which is how much boardings beyond the first cost (in addition to any other of their costs)
[14:41] <andrewbyrd> ideally we should have a bank of sliders labeled "transferring is as annoying as walking for X minutes", etc. :)
[14:41] <novalis_dt> And then you'll need a Ph.D in transportation planning to use our software...
[14:41] <novalis_dt> :)
[14:41] <FrankP> Phd ... push here, dummy
[14:44] <andrewbyrd> "Advanced options: I personally find that the annoyance of transferring grows (check one) linearly, geometrically"
[14:45] <mele_> hah
[14:45] <novalis_dt> "In accordance with a function which I will now draw in this canvas"
[14:45] <novalis_dt> "Let me just upload a Mathematica worksheet"
