Comparison Of Current Expertise vs Final Day Expertise - SWG-Source/swg-main GitHub Wiki

This is a truncated version of the original thread which had over 1,100 images in it and detailed every expertise box for every profession. What is included here is just the posts highlighting the actual differences between the expertise in the current codebase and that of the final day version.

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Forums SWG NGE Source Server Development FAQ & Guides Expertise - Full Comparison Of Current To "final Day" Versions Discussion in 'FAQ & Guides' started by IrishDarkshadow, Jan 26, 2018.

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Beast Master_________Current_____Final Day____Differences Bounty Hunter________Current_____Final Day____Differences Commando__________Current_____Final Day____Differences Entertainer___________Current____Final Day____Differences Jedi________________Current_____Final Day____Differences Medic_______________Current_____Final Day____Differences Officer ______________Current_____Final Day____Differences Smuggler____________Current_____Final Day____Differences Spy_________________Current_____Final Day____Differences Trader - Domestics_____Current_____Final Day____Differences Trader - Engineering____Current_____Final Day____Differences Trader - Munitions______Current_____Final Day____Differences Trader - Structures______Current____Final Day____Differences

The initial premise here is quite simple - what is different between the version of expertise that we have in the current source code and the "final day" version from SOE. However, the complexity of that premise rises greatly when we look at the specifics involved in the aftermath of the release of the v3.3 VM.

For the comparison I am going to use the v3.1 and v3.3 VMs. The v3.1 contains a dsrc folder which holds the source code for that I'm going to refer to as our "current" version of expertise. The v3.3 contains that same dsrc folder but also employs a method nicknamed the "VOH method" which uses extracted files from the final day SWG client to overwrite the files in the server that are compiled from the dsrc folder when we run the build script. Essentially, we don't have source code for those files so each time you run the build script they are replaced and you have to copy them over again. The build script in v3.3 includes a segment which asks you if you want to merge them or not which greatly simplifies the process.

The usage of that method was worrisome when it was introduced into the VMs. The primary concern was that it was a break from restoring source code in an attempt to take a shortcut to a restored SWG server. Expertise being in a final day form was the primary temptation. There was suspicion that the method wouldn't truly restore final day expertise but would just make it look like it was restored when viewed in the SWG client.

It's been a couple of months now since the "final day" expertise was released and player testing has started to expose some of the suspected issues. A good example is the Emergency Shield ability for the Officer profession. It is not present in the v3.1 dsrc source code but it is present in the v3.3 VM within the extracted files. When you choose your Officer expertise boxes and select it, you are able to spend the points and it looks like the ability is now yours. When you try to use the ability you will then notice that it doesn't actually do anything. This is because while the server now holds the files for the ability and so does your client, the fact that those files are sync'd between client and server does not make up for the missing server side code that knows how to execute that ability. There are other affected abilities due to the same absent server side code. Grend has written some source code and updated some server side files in order to solve that problem.

This thread will show each expertise box for every profession from both the v3.1 and v3.3 expertise versions. That will allow us to visually compare the differences and inform us on what to expect when testing Grend's code.

Each post following this one will show a specific profession's expertise boxes firstly showing the overview and then going from top left to bottom right in a box by box fashion. REPORT BOOKMARKLIKE + QUOTE REPLY Scytale and Grend like this. IrishDarkshadow IrishDarkshadow Well-Known Member Joined:May 18, 2017 Messages:441 Likes Received:131 #2IrishDarkshadow, Jan 26, 2018 Last edited: Jan 26, 2018 Beastmaster (current) [IMG]

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The notes column is used to highight skills / bonuses that only exist in the final day version of expertise.

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Green colouring indicates that the bonus added by that expertise box in the current version is included in a corresponding box in the final day version.

Red colouring indicates that the bonus added by that expertise box in the current version is not present in final day expertise i.e. it has been removed.

The Notes column indicates differences in the final day expertise boxes.

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From everything I can see here the Commando expertise is already at final day in our current source code. I will test this explicitly when I finish up the rest of this thread.

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