meeting 2024 04 17 n57 - JacobPilawa/TriaxSchwarzschild_wiki_5 GitHub Wiki

Context

  • Cleaning up/following up on some things from the last meeting:
    • Computed environmental diagnositcs for NGC 708
    • Replotted and verified zoomed versions of the GMOS data overlaid on the Mitchell data
    • Finalized an enclosed mass plot with a comparsion to O'Sullivan's enclosed mass profile
    • Follow up on V(R, Theta) [STILL TO COME, WORKING THROUGH NOW]

NGC 708

  • I had left off NGC 708 from our list of SMBHs we've been analyzing, but I've computed the relevant details from the HDC catalog:
  • Note that NGC 708 is in a large group, so I only need to go to the HDC to find all the members.
    • I'm flattening NGC 708's group to the surface brightness fluctuation distance of 61.5 Mpc (from Jensen).
    • Note that this distance is different from the distance used in the BH measurement paper of 68.48 Mpc.
N708: Here is a full list of all neighbors from the HDC without any cuts
Neighbor # Name RA Dec Group Distance Distance in LDC Separation K [LDC] Mk [LDC] Matched K Matched K_tc Av k_m_ext = K_tc + 0.11*Av Mk [K_tc & Group D] Mk [K_tc & Individual D]
0 NGC 0708 28.1938 36.1519 61.5 68.4427 0 8.69 -25.2544 8.694 8.542 0.247 8.56917 -25.4024 -25.6346
1 NGC 0703 28.165 36.1714 61.5 78.5689 0.033 9.95 -23.9944 9.949 9.851 0.247 9.87817 -24.0934 -24.6253
2 NGC 0704B 28.1567 36.1267 61.5 66.7011 0.042 10.5 -23.4444 10.504 10.345 0.247 10.3722 -23.5994 -23.7757
3 NGC 0714 28.3733 36.2214 61.5 63.0824 0.173 9.65 -24.2944 9.649 9.584 0.247 9.61117 -24.3604 -24.4155
4 NGC 0717 28.4796 36.2294 61.5 73.0313 0.261 10.51 -23.4344 10.507 10.402 0.247 10.4292 -23.5424 -23.9155
5 UGC 01319 27.8712 36.0658 61.5 74.7833 0.295 11.01 -22.9344 11.01 10.813 0.247 10.8402 -23.1314 -23.556
6 CGCG 522-048 28.4587 36.3503 61.5 58.6607 0.313 10.59 -23.3544 10.585 10.444 0.247 10.4712 -23.5004 -23.3977
7 UGC 01339 28.1033 35.8564 61.5 56.5124 0.327 10.39 -23.5544 10.389 10.244 0.247 10.2712 -23.7004 -23.5167
8 UGC 01344 28.1442 36.5008 61.5 58.7233 0.377 9.83 -24.1144 9.831 9.675 0.247 9.70217 -24.2694 -24.1691
9 UGC 01350 28.2387 36.5131 61.5 70.1321 0.39 10.57 -23.3744 10.572 10.171 0.247 10.1982 -23.7734 -24.0586
10 UGC 01308 27.7129 36.2758 61.5 72.854 0.437 9.4 -24.5444 9.402 9.222 0.247 9.24917 -24.7224 -25.0903
11 IC 1732 27.6992 35.9328 61.5 68.9016 0.489 10.35 -23.5944 10.353 10.242 0.247 10.2692 -23.7024 -23.9491
12 UGC 01347 28.1908 36.6192 61.5 78.0683 0.502 10.27 -23.6744 10.268 10.062 0.247 10.0892 -23.8824 -24.4004
13 NGC 0687 27.6388 36.3708 61.5 71.7486 0.535 9.33 -24.6144 9.333 9.216 0.247 9.24317 -24.7284 -25.0631
14 UGC 01366 28.5825 36.6297 61.5 72.0614 0.613 10.38 -23.5644 10.375 10.268 0.247 10.2952 -23.6764 -24.0205
15 UGC 01400 29.0221 36.1292 61.5 75.1483 0.718 10.61 -23.3344 10.613 10.537 0.247 10.5642 -23.4074 -23.8426
16 NGC 0712 28.2846 36.8197 61.5 74.4913 0.721 9.47 -24.4744 9.471 9.398 0.247 9.42517 -24.5464 -24.9625
17 NGC 0679 27.4325 35.7856 61.5 71.1333 0.769 9.22 -24.7244 9.217 9.115 0.247 9.14217 -24.8294 -25.1454
18 V Zw 131 28.0283 35.4147 61.5 68.255 0.804 10.95 -22.9944 10.948 10.876 0.247 10.9032 -23.0684 -23.2947
19 UGC 01353 28.3458 36.9553 61.5 74.0533 0.872 10.3 -23.6444 10.303 10.191 0.247 10.2182 -23.7534 -24.1567
20 UGC 01415 29.1825 36.3844 61.5 67.6293 0.891 10.37 -23.5744 10.372 10.26 0.247 10.2872 -23.6844 -23.8907
21 CGCG 522-061 28.7442 36.8694 61.5 70.956 0.905 11.17 -22.7744 11.172 11.096 0.247 11.1232 -22.8484 -23.1589
22 UGC 01385 28.7242 36.9181 61.5 79.1737 0.941 10.71 -23.2344 10.708 10.612 0.247 10.6392 -23.3324 -23.8809
23 NGC 0688 27.6837 35.2844 61.5 58.6086 1.032 10.34 -23.6044 10.344 10.229 0.247 10.2562 -23.7154 -23.6108
24 UGC 01277 27.3575 35.4528 61.5 58.546 1.046 10.01 -23.9344 10.01 9.88 0.247 9.90717 -24.0644 -23.9575
25 UGC 01434 29.4117 36.2553 61.5 64.0523 1.061 10.95 -22.9944 10.949 10.843 0.247 10.8702 -23.1014 -23.1897
26 NGC 0753 29.4254 35.9161 61.5 69.0893 1.099 9.46 -24.4844 9.458 9.343 0.247 9.37017 -24.6014 -24.8541
27 NGC 0759 29.4596 36.3431 61.5 65.8251 1.115 9.21 -24.7344 9.213 9.108 0.247 9.13517 -24.8364 -24.984
28 UGC 01251 26.8754 36.0347 61.5 68.328 1.15 11.14 -22.8044 11.144 10.946 0.247 10.9732 -22.9984 -23.227
29 UGC 01398 28.9937 37.1294 61.5 73.5214 1.255 11.22 -22.7244 11.221 10.907 0.247 10.9342 -23.0374 -23.4251
30 NGC 0669 26.8171 35.5633 61.5 65.8981 1.354 8.81 -25.1344 8.811 8.811 0.247 8.83817 -25.1334 -25.2834
31 UGC 01460 29.7708 36.2586 61.5 68.7034 1.371 10.63 -23.3144 10.628 10.409 0.247 10.4362 -23.5354 -23.7759
32 UGC 01459 29.7775 36.0631 61.5 77.0046 1.377 10.82 -23.1244 10.819 10.73 0.247 10.7572 -23.2144 -23.7026
33 UGC 01272 27.315 35.0731 61.5 70.4763 1.389 10.49 -23.4544 10.492 10.361 0.247 10.3882 -23.5834 -23.8792
34 NGC 0668 26.5942 36.4603 61.5 63.4891 1.423 10.31 -23.6344 10.309 10.085 0.247 10.1122 -23.8594 -23.9285
35 IC 0178 29.7283 36.675 61.5 68.2237 1.44 10.2 -23.7444 10.201 10.068 0.247 10.0952 -23.8764 -24.1017
36 CGCG 522-098 29.8408 36.8269 61.5 68.1507 1.595 10.91 -23.0344 10.909 10.764 0.247 10.7912 -23.1804 -23.4034
37 UGC 01441 29.4587 37.3617 61.5 68.2237 1.694 11.01 -22.9344 11.007 10.923 0.247 10.9502 -23.0214 -23.2467
38 MRK 1170 29.5233 37.5778 61.5 68.0151 1.909 11.02 -22.9244 11.016 10.913 0.247 10.9402 -23.0314 -23.25
  • And here are the neighbors after making the cuts (it's actually just the first ten from the table above):
NGC 0708
Neighbor # Name RA Dec Group Distance Distance in LDC Separation K [LDC] Mk [LDC] Matched K Matched K_tc Av k_m_ext = K_tc + 0.11*Av Mk [K_tc & Group D] Mk [K_tc & Individual D] numerator denominator nu_i rho_i
1 0 NGC 0708 28.1938 36.1519 61.5 68.4427 0 8.69 -25.2544 8.694 8.542 0.247 8.56917 -25.4024 -25.6346 0 nan nan nan
2 1 NGC 0703 28.165 36.1714 61.5 78.5689 0.032573 9.95 -23.9944 9.949 9.851 0.247 9.87817 -24.0934 -24.6253 8.98153e+10 0.000144761 6.20437e+14 6907.92
3 2 NGC 0704B 28.1567 36.1267 61.5 66.7011 0.0420228 10.5 -23.4444 10.504 10.345 0.247 10.3722 -23.5994 -23.7757 1.46799e+11 0.000310837 4.7227e+14 6434.25
4 3 NGC 0714 28.3733 36.2214 61.5 63.0824 0.172472 9.65 -24.2944 9.649 9.584 0.247 9.61117 -24.3604 -24.4155 2.61654e+11 0.02149 1.21756e+13 139.6
5 4 NGC 0717 28.4796 36.2294 61.5 73.0313 0.261183 10.51 -23.4344 10.507 10.402 0.247 10.4292 -23.5424 -23.9155 3.15723e+11 0.0746299 4.23052e+12 53.5978
6 5 UGC 01319 27.8712 36.0658 61.5 74.7833 0.294622 11.01 -22.9344 11.01 10.813 0.247 10.8402 -23.1314 -23.556 3.52753e+11 0.107121 3.29304e+12 46.6763
7 6 CGCG 522-048 28.4587 36.3503 61.5 58.6607 0.312936 10.59 -23.3544 10.585 10.444 0.247 10.4712 -23.5004 -23.3977 4.04771e+11 0.128364 3.15329e+12 46.7419
8 7 UGC 01339 28.1033 35.8564 61.5 56.5124 0.326773 10.39 -23.5544 10.389 10.244 0.247 10.2712 -23.7004 -23.5167 4.67309e+11 0.146155 3.19735e+12 47.8943
9 8 UGC 01344 28.1442 36.5008 61.5 58.7233 0.376949 9.83 -24.1144 9.831 9.675 0.247 9.70217 -24.2694 -24.1691 5.7293e+11 0.22435 2.55374e+12 35.6586
10 9 UGC 01350 28.2387 36.5131 61.5 70.1321 0.389642 10.57 -23.3744 10.572 10.171 0.247 10.1982 -23.7734 -24.0586 6.39819e+11 0.247786 2.58214e+12 36.3217
11 10 UGC 01308 27.7129 36.2758 61.5 72.854 0.437186 9.4 -24.5444 9.402 9.222 0.247 9.24917 -24.7224 -25.0903 8.00125e+11 0.350007 2.28602e+12 28.5708
  • And lastly, here is the most up-to-date environment plot with NGC 708 added. Note that I've updated the black hole mass to the SBF distance from which we compute nu10.
Plot

Enclosed Mass

  • I've created a finalize enclosed mass plot with the comparison to O'Sullivan's mass profile here:
Enclosed Mass

GMOS + Mitchell Combined Plot + V(R, Theta) Changes

Combined Plot

  • I've replotted and verified the GMOS and Mitchell maps overlaid on one another below. In the plots below, north is up and east is to the left.
  • As a quick reminder, the photometric PA is 40.2 deg E of N, the +x axis of the GMOS data is 41.0 deg E of N, and the +x axis of the Mitchell data is 41.1 deg E of N.
No Zoom Slight Zoom Full Zoom
And as a quick sanity check, here are the plots on BOX from Irina for the GMOS and Mitchell kinematics
GMOS Mitchell

V(R, Theta) Plot

  • There were a few things we wanted to look into for these V(R, Theta) plots; I'll start with the results running the script on the GMOS data alone.

  • Here are the results on GMOS alone for a few different binning schemes/messing around with the data binning by eye. It seems like there is a general agreement in the kinematic PA curves no matter how I do the binning (note that there are 215 GMOS bins)

2 bins 3 bins 4 bins 5 bins 6 bins 7 bins
  • Next up, here's the result of running a similar test on the Mitchell data alone (41 bins total). I think that the relatively low number of kinematic bins here makes it difficult to detect a legitimate twist in these data. In particular, it looks like between ~6 arcsec to ~11 arcsec, the velocity behavior is a bit all over the place and thus the kinematic PA measurements in this region are quite noisy. I tried a number of different binning schemes/bin choices but wasn't able to get anything that was particularly well bevhaved in this region.
2 bins 3 bins 4 bins 5 bins
  • Lastly, here are a few attempts at combining both the GMOS and Mitchell data. I tried to keep the ~5 bin trend from the GMOS results, but as you might imagine from the point above, it's difficult to bin the Mitchell data in a reasonable way:
Option 1 Option 2 Option 3 Option 4
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