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ACCC & DSB Data Holder Working Group Agenda & Meeting Notes (9th of July 2020)

When: Weekly every Thursday at 3pm-4.30pm AEST
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Agenda

  1. Introductions
  2. Outstanding actions
  3. CDR Stream updates
  4. Q&A
  5. Any other business

Meeting notes

Introductions

  • 5 min will be allowed for participants to join the call.

Actions

Type Topic Update
Maintenance Banking Maintenance Iteration 04

Key Phase Dates

Phase 1: Retrospective and Backlog Grooming - 9th July 2020 commencement. 2 weeks duration

Phase 2: Consultation - 22nd July 2020 commencement. 4 weeks duration

Phase 3: Approvals and Documentation - 19th August 2020 commencement. 2 week duration

Please contact [email protected] for an invite to the series

Maintenance Banking Maintenance Iteration 04 Link to Summary
Decision Proposal - Energy Decision Proposal 113 - Customer Data Payloads Decision Proposal 113
Decision Proposal - All Decision Proposal 120 - CDR Error Codes for Enhanced Error Handling Decision Proposal 120
Decision Proposal - All Decision Proposal 121 - Application of existing HTTP Error Response Codes to Enhanced Error Handling Decision Proposal 121
Decision Proposal - All Decision Proposal 122 - Extension of Supported HTTP Response Codes for Enhanced Error Handling Decision Proposal 122
Workshop - Energy Data Language for the Energy Sector Registration Link
Standards Version 1.4.0 Proposed Changes Board of changes is located here
Follow-up
    We have previously submitted the following questions for Data Holder Work Group 04/06/2020, as well as Data Holder Work Group 18/06/2020:
    1. Further to the item above, we are of the view that traffic throttled due to exceeding non-functional requirements does not constitute a refusal to disclose and would not be in scope for record keeping an reporting as a refusal to disclose. Throttled traffic is a reported measurement in the Get Metrics API. Could you please publish the answer in the minutes?
    2. We are of the view that each refused API call constitutes a separate refusal to disclose event for the purposes of record keeping and reporting. Could you please publish the answer in the minutes?

    When can we expect a response in writing, as no response has been provided to either of these items in the meeting minutes?

Answers still pending
Follow-up From 18/6 forum Q11, 12 and 13 still pending repsonses Answers still pending
Clarification

We’re grateful to our stakeholder for raising this issue.

In one of the paragraphs of our guidance, we used ‘white labeller/brand owner’ terminology to illustrate that (a) the data holder that has the contractual relationship with the consumer may agree that the other data holder will respond to product data requests; but (b) in that case, the data holder with the contractual relationship would remain accountable for performance of the obligation by the other data holder.

However, due to an error, the paragraph as published described what we understand is a relatively unusual situation, namely where the brand owner has the contractual relationship with the customer. We had intended to provide an example based on what we understand is the more common situation, namely where the white labeller has the contractual relationship with the customer.

Our corrected guidance is:

‘Where there are two data holders involved in providing a white label product, (for example, where a brand owner bank distributes a credit card on behalf of a white labeller bank) the ACCC expects the data holder that has the contractual relationship with the consumer to respond to product data requests. We understand that the data holder that has the contractual relationship with the consumer is generally the white labeller. The other party (generally the brand owner) may also respond to product data requests, however we do not propose to treat this as mandatory. > The data holder that has the contractual relationship with the customer (e.g. the white labeller) may agree with the other data holder (e.g. the brand owner) that the brand owner will perform that obligation on behalf of the white labeller. In that case the white labeller, as the data holder that has the contractual relationship with the consumer, remains accountable for performance of the obligation by the brand owner.’

We apologise for any confusion this may have caused. In addition to today’s clarification, we plan to publish a clarification in our next newsletter. This should ensure all stakeholders who receive the newsletter are notified of the correction.

CDR Stream Updates

Provides a weekly update on the activities of each of the CDR streams and their workplaces

  • ACCC Rules
  • ACCC CDR Register (Technical)
  • DSB CX Standards
  • DSB Technical Standards - Energy & Banking

Presentation

  • No presentation this week.

Q&A

Questions will be received by the community via WebEx chat before the questions are opened to the floor. Participants can pre-submit questions to the DSB mailing box.

Currently received pre-submitted questions:

# Question Answer
#1 Does the 300TPS apply individually to both get-products and get-product-detail, or is it collective? For example (and I realise this scenario is highly unlikely), if get-product was receiving 299TPS, and get-product-detail was receiving 299TPS – If the threshold is individual, then we need to provide full performance to all of these requests. If collective, then we can provide degraded performance, or error code 429 for 298 of these transactions on a first in first out basis. -
#2 If a data holder has multiple brands that all reside on the same core banking system, with the same API backend, does the 300TPS apply individually to each brand, or is it collective across all brands? For example, if brand #1 is at 299TPS and brand #2 is at 299TPS – If the threshold is applicable to the brand, then we need to provide full performance to all of these requests. If collective, then we can provide degraded performance, or error code 429 for 298 of these transactions on a first in first out basis.

As a data holder with 4 brands, answers to these questions will provide clarity on whether we are trying to achieve:

  • 300TPS – for both API’s covering all brands.
  • 600TPS – 300 for get-products + 300 for get-product-details (i.e. 600 covering all brands).
  • 1200TPS – 300 for both API’s, repeated for each brand.
  • 2400TPS – 300 for get-products + 300 for get-product-details, (i.e. 600 repeated for each brand).
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#3

Background for the question:

    When opening a new Joint account, the bank enables customers to elect ‘either to sign’ or ‘both to sign’, and customers have the option to update this election at any time.
    • If a customer elects ‘Either to sign’; either of the joint account holders have the ability to individually manage the account to the full extend. This includes online access, view of all account details and transactions, making payments, setting up payees, change of product parameters, subscriptions, etc...
    • If a customer elects ‘Both to sign’; neither of the joint account holders have the ability to individually manage the account. Both joint account holders must provide instructions in order to operate and manage the joint account.

    Question

    Using a non-digital form of capturing the JAMS election, and adopting the “One to authorise” election process Under Rule 4.2(1)(a). Is it acceptable to treat all existing to bank joint account holders, whom have previously elected the ‘Either to sign’ option, as being automatically opted into using Open Banking services, without the need for an additional JAMS election? This in turn will enable Joint account holders to utilise Open banking services as soon as the service becomes available, without the need to create additional friction by introducing another election process in the authorisation flow. Please confirm if this is an acceptable outcome?

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#4 We are seeking clarification about the requirements for Closed Joint Accounts election in the Account Management Service in the next scenario: one of the Closed Joint Account holders has left the bank and is no longer a customer (does not have the ability to access online banking, does not have client number), and the other Joint Account Holder is still an active customer and wants to share the data for this Closed Joint Account. How should the election process work in this case? Issue 262 -
#5

In the latest update from the ACCC on white-label products, the ACCC states:

Where there are two data holders involved in providing a white label product (for example, where a brand owner bank distributes a credit card on behalf of a white labeller bank) the ACCC expects the data holder that has the contractual relationship with the consumer to respond to product data requests. The other data holder may also respond to product data requests. However, in the interests of avoiding unnecessary duplication, we do not propose to treat this as mandatory.

The data holder that has the contractual relationship with the customer (i.e. the brand owner) may agree with the white labeller that the white labeller will perform that obligation on behalf of the brand owner, in which case the brand owner remains accountable for performance of that obligation by the white labeller.

Question - We seek clarification on the highlighted part above, as based on our understanding a customer that holds a white-label product (Bank A branded card issue by a Bank B) has a contractual relationship with the Bank B (the white labeler), which issues the credit and not the Bank A(brand owner). Is the ACCC trying to indicated that the expectation is that the brand owner ADIs are expected to respond to product data requests for products branded in their brand including white-label products which they do not issue?

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Notes

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Question and answers

# Question Answer/ Action
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Other business

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Appendices

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Next Steps

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