ACCC & DSB Data Holder Working Group Agenda & Meeting Notes (16th of July 2020) - ConsumerDataStandardsAustralia/standards GitHub Wiki
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Type | Topic | Update |
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Maintenance | Banking Maintenance Iteration 04 |
Key Phase Dates Phase 1: Retrospective and Backlog Grooming - 9th July 2020 commencement. 2 weeks duration Phase 2: Consultation - 22nd July 2020 commencement. 4 weeks duration Phase 3: Approvals and Documentation - 19th August 2020 commencement. 2 week duration Please contact [email protected] for an invite to the series |
Maintenance | Banking Maintenance Iteration 04 | Link to Summary |
Decision Proposal - Energy | Decision Proposal 113 - Customer Data Payloads | Decision Proposal 113 |
Decision Proposal - All | Decision Proposal 120 - CDR Error Codes for Enhanced Error Handling | Decision Proposal 120 |
Workshop - Energy | Data Language for the Energy Sector | Registration Link |
Standards | Version 1.4.0 Proposed Changes | Board of changes is located here |
Follow-up |
When can we expect a response in writing, as no response has been provided to either of these items in the meeting minutes? |
Answers still pending |
Follow-up | From 18/6 forum Q11, 12 and 13 still pending responses | These have been updated. |
Clarification |
We’re grateful to our stakeholder for raising this issue. In one of the paragraphs of our guidance, we used ‘white labeller/brand owner’ terminology to illustrate that (a) the data holder that has the contractual relationship with the consumer may agree that the other data holder will respond to product data requests; but (b) in that case, the data holder with the contractual relationship would remain accountable for performance of the obligation by the other data holder. However, due to an error, the paragraph as published described what we understand is a relatively unusual situation, namely where the brand owner has the contractual relationship with the customer. We had intended to provide an example based on what we understand is the more common situation, namely where the white labeller has the contractual relationship with the customer. |
Our corrected guidance is: ‘Where there are two data holders involved in providing a white label product, (for example, where a brand owner bank distributes a credit card on behalf of a white labeller bank) the ACCC expects the data holder that has the contractual relationship with the consumer to respond to product data requests. We understand that the data holder that has the contractual relationship with the consumer is generally the white labeller. The other party (generally the brand owner) may also respond to product data requests, however we do not propose to treat this as mandatory. > The data holder that has the contractual relationship with the customer (e.g. the white labeller) may agree with the other data holder (e.g. the brand owner) that the brand owner will perform that obligation on behalf of the white labeller. In that case the white labeller, as the data holder that has the contractual relationship with the consumer, remains accountable for performance of the obligation by the brand owner.’ We apologise for any confusion this may have caused. In addition to today’s clarification, we plan to publish a clarification in our next newsletter. This should ensure all stakeholders who receive the newsletter are notified of the correction. |
Q&A | Is there any requirement, guidance, or expectation of the amount of consent history that should be available for display to consumers (ie via consumer dashboard)? |
To align with the record keeping requirements in subdivision 9.3.1, the ACCC’s expectations are that six years of consent and authorisation history are displayed in consumer dashboards for expired consents and authorisations. Where consents and authorisations are current and have remained active, the full history is expected to be displayed in the consumer dashboard. |
Q&A | Is there an obligation for a DH to provide a developer portal to publish their API documentation? If so, for a DH with multiple brands registered under them in the CDR register, does the DH need to provide a separate branded developer portal for each brand? | No. |
Q&A | Further to the item above, we are of the view that traffic throttled due to exceeding non-functional requirements does not constitute a refusal to disclose and would not be in scope for record keeping an reporting as a refusal to disclose. Throttled traffic is a reported measurement in the Get Metrics API. Please confirm in writing. | Throttled traffic due to exceeding the non-functional requirements would constitute a refusal to disclose for the purposes of reporting under rule 9.4. It would also be considered a rejection in the rejection count metrics, noting that this applies to authenticated APIs (not public APIs). |
Q&A | Hi, ANZ has the following question, the rules state that a closed account’s transaction data (limited range) must be shared if the account has been closed within the last 24 months. The rules have not specifically stated this 24 month requirement for account information (i.e. Account balance and details). Our assumption is that this same rule should apply for sharing a closed account’s account information. Could you please validate these assumptions? | Any sharing requests on a closed account must be made within 24 months of the account closing |
Q&A | When will the CDS Comparison demo app be upgraded to support version 2 of the product apis? | The Banking Comparator Tool currently supports preferred for x-v value and minimal for x-min-v value. |
Q&A | If we add another participant api link on the CDS Comparison tool, will it be visible to all other site users? or just temporarily added to the person who has done it? | If you add this in your own browser, it is only viewable to yourself. However, you can either raise an issue or pull request in the Banking Product Comparator tool repo. |
Q&A | Clause 2.1 of Schedule 3 of the Rules outlines that in order to be considered an eligible CDR consumer, a person must (amongst other things) have an account with a data holder that is “set up in such a way that it can be accessed online”. If a consumer has a temporary block status applied to their online banking access (e.g., because of suspected fraud activity), they will be temporarily unable to access their account online. We seek confirmation that in the event a consumer has a temporary block on their account, that this by itself would not result in the consumer no longer being an eligible CDR consumer? |
We are interested in understanding how temporary blocks work, and if a temporary block impacts a consumer’s ability to access their online banking entirely, just at the account level, or both depending on the circumstance. Also interested in how common blocking accounts is as a risk-mitigation strategy. |
Q&A | To add to the question regarding the revocation of joint account elections, when we need to stop sharing, should we also revoke affected consents? |
Revoking a joint account election means CDR data on the joint account must not be disclosed (see rule 4.3(1)(b)(i)). However, it does not revoke any existing consents or authorisations. For example, Anna is sharing a joint account and an account in her name alone with an ADR. If the joint account election is revoked (whether by Anna or by the other joint account holder), the data holder should no longer share data on the joint account, but should continue to share data on the account in Anna’s name alone. Anna’s consent and authorisation are not disturbed by the revocation of the joint account election. |
Q&A | Can you confirm if and when the Product Reference Data ‘comparator’ website will support V2 of the product APIs ? Or more fully support multiple concurrent versions as per the issue 17? | Yes, the Product Comparator tool supports v2 of Product APIs |
Q&A | with regard to closed accounts data sharing - what is the expectation for an account that was authorised for data sharing and is closed after sharing is initiated? should the sharing continue? |
If a consumer closes an account but remains ‘eligible’, sharing may continue on the closed account (assuming it was already authorised for data sharing), noting there may be no new data to collect post closure. If a consumer closes an account and no longer has an open account that is able to be accessed online with the data holder, the consumer ceases to be an ‘eligible’ consumer for the particular data holder and their authorisation is withdrawn (see rule 4.26(1)(b)). Therefore, the CDR data should not be disclosed. |
Q&A |
Will ADRs be requesting to Authorise scopes that are not in scope for non-majors in Phase 1?
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Covered in Issue 243 and CDR - 117 |
Q&A | Also, would each blocked/suspended account (for example 3 blocked accounts not disclosed in Get Accounts response) be considered a separate refusal from a reporting perspective? | It is expected that each blocked/suspended account would be counted as a separate refusal to disclose for the purposes of reporting. |
Q&A | If we have submitted questions via the email address will we receive a reply via email or are these only addressed via the minutes? | All answers are posted on the GitHub Minutes |
Q&A | question about consent from guarantors. if an account(individual or joint) has a guarantor that is required to sign, will this account be ineligible for data sharing? |
An eligible consumer can make data sharing requests. Where a consumer is eligible to make sharing requests, they can share data in relation to accounts held in their name alone or accounts for which they are a joint account holder (subject to the JAMS rules). An eligible customer that holds an account in their name alone is able to share data on that account even if the account is guaranteed by someone else. As the guarantor is not an account holder of the account, under the current rules, the guarantor could not share data from that account. |
Q&A | One of our members asked if there is a reference library for Product Reference Data anywhere? Do you know if one exists? | Please review the Standards here: GET Products |
Q&A |
Background for the question: When opening a new Joint account, the bank enables customers to elect ‘either to sign’ or ‘both to sign’, and customers have the option to update this election at any time. Question Using a non-digital form of capturing the JAMS election, and adopting the “One to authorise” election process Under Rule 4.2(1)(a). Is it acceptable to treat all existing to bank joint account holders, whom have previously elected the ‘Either to sign’ option, as being automatically opted into using Open Banking services, without the need for an additional JAMS election? This in turn will enable Joint account holders to utilise Open banking services as soon as the service becomes available, without the need to create additional friction by introducing another election process in the authorisation flow. Please confirm if this is an acceptable outcome? |
This policy decision has previously been consulted on and decided by the ACCC. Existing ‘either to sign’ or ‘both to sign’ may not be used to meet the JAMS election requirements. However, as the joint account management service is not required to be online, when opening new accounts, for example, joint account holders may make a joint account management election via a form. It must be made transparent to consumers that they are making an election about consumer data sharing under the consumer data right, which is distinct from the ability to make payments, set up payees etc. on the account. |
Q&A | https://github.com/ConsumerDataStandardsAustralia/standards-maintenance/issues/262 | The policy intent is that both joint account holders must be ‘eligible’ (eligible is as defined in cl 2.1(2) of schedule 3). Therefore, in this scenario the joint account would not be able to be shared as one of the joint account holders is not ‘eligible’ given they do not have an open account that can be accessed online with the data holder. |
Q&A | Clarification In regard to accreditation of and ADI or possible and Intermediary. The Guidelines make reference to certifications or assurances by a third party of CDR requirements such as Information technology and Disputes. Can an ISO 27000/1 Internal or external auditor or a PCI QSA provide the assurances? If so do they or an entities internal or external auditors require to have completed some additional training or certifications for CDR to prior to providing these or their existing qualifications accepted? |
An ISO 27001 certification does not meet the information security requirement for the unrestricted level of accreditation. The required assurance report must be prepared in accordance with the Australian Standard on Assurance Engagements (ASAE) 3150 Assurance Engagement on Controls standard, or an accepted comparable standard, and must address all aspects of the information security obligation and control requirements specified at Schedule 2 of the Consumer Data Right Rules. ASAE 3150 is an Australian method of auditing and reporting.
When applying for accreditation, an applicant may seek to use an existing assurance report prepared in accordance with ASAE 3150, or one of the accepted comparable standards. However, the existing report must be no more than 6 months old at the time of submission of the accreditation application, and if it contains only partial coverage over the required controls in Schedule 2 while require certain treatment for acceptance. See our Supplementary Accreditation Guidelines on Information Security for further information on what is required. |
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#1 | Can the ACCC please comment on the expected call volumes for the metrics endpoint? Specifically, we are interested in how often it is going to be called. | CDR Register will call DHs once per day, around 5:00AM AEST, every day. Adhoc calls may be required however this would be infrequent and would not occur en masse. |
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These are not properly understood in the industry and need to be explained in details with examples of the screen added in the CX Guidelines on page 108 under the Data Holder – Manage Authorisation Dashboard |
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